Badbeatbill Did Jeroen or you have damage? You 2 seemed slow in comparison in the penultimate restart, causing the inside to loose quite a bit? Or was the outside just better organized there?
No, we actually had a good start, but no help from the 3rd car. So eventually we were pulled back when the outside did catch up.
It did put us back on the outside line for the final restart. But then I was put into the wall by a chicken nugget....
It was a fun race and intense, just not lucky. A race incident with Jeroem but not bad for starting the season.
I was pushing Lachlan and for some reason we had to move high. I followed him, so I wouldn't be offset while pushing him, but ran into you. Kinda frustrated why we had to move so far up the track, but the contact you and I had is probably on me....
Sorry Jeroen for pushing you away. I wasn’t pushing at all. I’m really sorry
Well it's Daytona... And I don't agree what Petr said, these cars are defenately not to the easiest to race/push as they move around a lot when there is contact unlike the cup car.
Anyway the only thing I want to say about it, is that I think with 18 laps to go (I think) and no threat that the outside line would clear us, I think it was still way to early for contact in the tri-oval....
Carsten Theile Congratulations for the championship!
Absolutely deserved after the season, which you're having.
Like you said in the A tread, it isn't over 'till it's over. Carsten might wreck 10 drivers next race and accumulate 60 penalty points. You never know......
This was my last race this season as I'll travel to New Zealand tonight.
Anyway the season was going really good, untill the previous two races at Indy and Gateway. Since I knew I was not going to race the last race of the season, it didn't really matter for the points anyway. But then atleast I could give Carsten the illusion of a tighter championship
Still happy to finish 3rd this race. Just couldn't push as I had to save fuel the entire run. I knew the cars behind me were saving more during the first run after the caution, but I also wanted to stay in the draft of the 2 cars in front of me (who both didn't make it on fuel) so I tried to push just a little bit more.
I don't see it that way. If the driver in front chooses the higher line and I'm faster on the inside and the line is clear, then I'm allowed to go in there. If the driver above then pulls down, he's the one at fault.
Take a look at real Nascar races, where there's often one driver above, the one on the inside is faster, and the one on the outside takes more momentum. No one pulls down from above when there
This rule has nothing to do with real NASCAR races. It makes it way too easy to abuse this to defend your position especially on the short tracks. You can compromise almost your entire corner, as long as you have a good exit. And I'm guilty of that myself as well because if you dont you are not getting those positions back that easy.
Personally I think a 'divebomb' should be allowed if a.) you keep your line on the inside (and don't move up into the other car entering the turn because you carry too much speed) and b.) you have to get to the side of the other car, not drive into the rear of the other car.
However, the rules are what they are, if you like them or not. You can't ignore them, just because they race differently in real NASCAR races..
I'll probably be calm again, forget and move on tomorrow after a night sleep..
Just to illustrate my point from the discussion we had. I agree my car was yawed-out here and I was starting to move up a bit, but I feel like I was still low enough here. Not sure if iRacing simulates pulling air of the spoiler when another car gets this close in a turn to someone elses rear quaterpanel, but if it does then it did its job I guess.. Just unfortunate that as soon as we made contact my car stopped turning and went straight into the outside wall..:(
Aargh I feel like I gave that one away.. I was a little too comfortable in 5th gear. It did work the previous runs and could maintain a gap but I started overdriving entry a little bit and that killed my exit speed. The strategy worked surprisingly well after being spun around (apology accepted btw Jonas).
Anyway I got myself a chance two weeks in a row, the driver just needs to execute better...
Wenn ich dann oben lese, es lag an der VR, komme ich wieder zu meinem Entschluss das VR im Ligabetrieb nix zu suchen hat!!
Es ist halt einfach nur ein Spielzeug
As long as I can beat your a$$ on track in VR, I don't want to hear anything about it 
My Oculus Rift is over 8 years old and still going strong.
#96 Cheetos. Also uploaded on TP.
Regular paint will follow later.
So Carsten passed Roland and that was the only change of position in the entire top 6. And I looked at a surprised chicken pretty much all race. So that kinda sums up the race. Not much you could do and not much going on.....
I mean, take a look at the replay. Roland is taking the turn veeery slowly, which surprises both of us. You hit the brakes extra hard to not hit him and I do the same, but simply run out of room. At the spot where I hit you, you were running 125 mph, while you were running 135 mph there the laps before with nobody in front.
I am not trying to blame you, but just showing how both of us got surprised there by Roland's speed. I don't think I could have expected that. Besides, I apologized to you twice and went extra slowly to let you pass once Kurt went past me late in the race.
I appriciated the apolgy (I'm in VR in my rig, with my keyboard pretty far away so I can't type during a race) and I know it wasn't on purpose. But I'm pretty sure if these sort of things in different variations happened to you almost every B race in a season, you'd be getting a little frustrated as well at some point.
And again my earlier message was not directed to you specifically. But I had to air my build up frustration in the past 7 races, after another race with contact.
This is not directed to one specific driver, because it's somebody else every race. But I've been wrecked/ run into every race this season except Phoenix, which starts to get pretty frustrating and with two shorttracks and Rockingham coming up I highly doubt it'll get any better soon.
Can we please agree on wrecking somebody else next race?? 
Appologies to Daniel and everybody else involved in the first wreck... Kevin had me stuck on the inside behind Daniel. I thought I entered pretty normal (and once you are on the inside like that it can be hard sometimes to know where you are exactly compared to the car in front on the high line). Not sure if Daniel was a little bit slower on entry, or that Kevin and I both carried a bit more speed on entry there. But once I figured I send it on your inside I tried to back out of it by braking harder and that got me tight and moved up the track a bit. In hindsight you did seem to leave some space, so I guess I just should have taken it and although that would have still been a divebomb, everybody would have been alive getting out of that turn....
Qualifying was pretty bad, although it felt like a pretty good lap, I just had no speed. But running through the field was fun and got near the front before the first round of pitstops. Then the caution set me back again after having to take the wave around and had to do it again.
Then the wreck with Roland happenend.. I did come off the wall a little bit, but I also feel like I got pinched pretty badly. Just look at where David was running behind us compared to you and it's a carwidth difference... And it wasn't the first lap I got pinched/put in the wall in that run either. So I feel it was a pretty low percentage move and I don't see why risking ending up with 2 wrecked racecars...
After this caution the rest of the field decided to turn up the aggression to the max and we got yellow after yellow... But on newer tires I somehow still salvaged a top 5.
To give my personal opinion about this, I'd rather see we rely on common sense and not trying to wreck yourself, instead of making rules that benefit people with no spacial awareness or don't watch their mirrors, which then other drivers can abuse/manipulate to their own benefit.
Now I must say that I understand that in a situation where there are two cars that both do something dumb and get themselves wrecked you need some rules to fall back on. But at the same time I think you should be carefull to not get too far away from what is acceptable in NASCAR racing, because that is what we try to do here. (This is not F1).
And to give one example concerning the 3rd part of this rule. If at New Hampshire of Martinsville for example the car in front overdrives the entry and moves up in the middle of the turn, by accident or by design, than that is their choice/problem. As the car behind you should be able to use the space you are given by the car in front. But if we allow the car in front to use the entire track from high to low and as the car behind you just have to wait there, because he might potentially move back down, then I think we make it way to easy on the front car to defend.
Aw man I had such a great time. Could save my tires pretty good, even running the high line. Then after the pitstop the pace was definitely faster, so I was wondering how that would turn out and who would have the better tires near the end between Carsten, Jakub and me.
But then 2 lapped cars wrecked in front of me. I thought one was going to slide down from the wall, which he didn't. I should have zagged when I zigged and couldn't avoid him anymore and it ended my race....:(
Probably the last time we'll run this version of the track as I racing just announced a repaved update of this track probably somewhere in season 2, which is somewhat sad as I like the low grip track....
Roland sorry for that moment.. I could have left a bit more room between us. I saw you steering down below that top seem, so I thought the whole outside was available but then you didn't went low as much as I thought you would. And then the netcode that pushed you back up into me didn't help either..:S
My first two stints were pretty good. I felt I had to use way too much steering input on the low line in dirty air, so I decided to see what I could do on the high line. The only hard thing was to nail the entry into 3 when there was a car in front of me that took away my line of sight for the entry which kinda messed me up at times.
But then during the last pitstop I pretty much spun out the car on entry. And during the last stint I just drove a bit over my head, running waaaay to much into the wall. Also having a tighter car with less fuel (and less rotation) didn't help either I think.
Feempy It is everyone's choice which strategy they choose and how they subsequently behave on the track.
Agreed, but I can still not like how somebody behaves on track and say something about it.
Feempy It must be understood that I'm not responsible for my brother. He has a mind of his own. The only thing I can say about it is that I have had several conversations with him regarding a few situations that have been here in the past. And some I wasn't thrilled about either. In the final stage he has to realize this and it is up to him whether he changes his attitude or not.
I'm also not holding you accountable for his actions. Maybe my entire post looked directed to you, because I started with a apology to you and then went on with the other stuff. But that was definitely directed to Petr, not you.
And this is also an answer for Feempy. Plus, yes he was faster, but that was in the single file situation and that's something different as I wrote above.
Unfortunetly, you cannot see the background. In the last races, Petr sometimes started to take gamble with the strategy (stayed out on older tires and save set for later). Multiple times, I told him that it doesn't work every time, but he is still doing it. He has his own head. If you think that's how you wrote in your last sentence, then think so, it's your opinion. But do you think I should need it?
And about that hit from behind, I had my own opinion on that situation and surely it will stay in my memory.
It's definitely just my opinion. And if it would just be this race, I wouldn't be this outspoken about it. But the 'problem' I have is that I am seeing a pattern over multiple races, not just the last 2 Bristol races.
And just to be clear. I'm not against strategy calls and staying out on old tires in itself. But it's about the choices made and how drivers race when they get in such a situation.
