So Carsten passed Roland and that was the only change of position in the entire top 6. And I looked at a surprised chicken pretty much all race. So that kinda sums up the race. Not much you could do and not much going on.....
Beiträge von Feempy
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I mean, take a look at the replay. Roland is taking the turn veeery slowly, which surprises both of us. You hit the brakes extra hard to not hit him and I do the same, but simply run out of room. At the spot where I hit you, you were running 125 mph, while you were running 135 mph there the laps before with nobody in front.
I am not trying to blame you, but just showing how both of us got surprised there by Roland's speed. I don't think I could have expected that. Besides, I apologized to you twice and went extra slowly to let you pass once Kurt went past me late in the race.
I appriciated the apolgy (I'm in VR in my rig, with my keyboard pretty far away so I can't type during a race) and I know it wasn't on purpose. But I'm pretty sure if these sort of things in different variations happened to you almost every B race in a season, you'd be getting a little frustrated as well at some point.
And again my earlier message was not directed to you specifically. But I had to air my build up frustration in the past 7 races, after another race with contact.
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This is not directed to one specific driver, because it's somebody else every race. But I've been wrecked/ run into every race this season except Phoenix, which starts to get pretty frustrating and with two shorttracks and Rockingham coming up I highly doubt it'll get any better soon.
Can we please agree on wrecking somebody else next race??
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Appologies to Daniel and everybody else involved in the first wreck... Kevin had me stuck on the inside behind Daniel. I thought I entered pretty normal (and once you are on the inside like that it can be hard sometimes to know where you are exactly compared to the car in front on the high line). Not sure if Daniel was a little bit slower on entry, or that Kevin and I both carried a bit more speed on entry there. But once I figured I send it on your inside I tried to back out of it by braking harder and that got me tight and moved up the track a bit. In hindsight you did seem to leave some space, so I guess I just should have taken it and although that would have still been a divebomb, everybody would have been alive getting out of that turn....
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Qualifying was pretty bad, although it felt like a pretty good lap, I just had no speed. But running through the field was fun and got near the front before the first round of pitstops. Then the caution set me back again after having to take the wave around and had to do it again.
Then the wreck with Roland happenend.. I did come off the wall a little bit, but I also feel like I got pinched pretty badly. Just look at where David was running behind us compared to you and it's a carwidth difference... And it wasn't the first lap I got pinched/put in the wall in that run either. So I feel it was a pretty low percentage move and I don't see why risking ending up with 2 wrecked racecars...
After this caution the rest of the field decided to turn up the aggression to the max and we got yellow after yellow... But on newer tires I somehow still salvaged a top 5.
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To give my personal opinion about this, I'd rather see we rely on common sense and not trying to wreck yourself, instead of making rules that benefit people with no spacial awareness or don't watch their mirrors, which then other drivers can abuse/manipulate to their own benefit.
Now I must say that I understand that in a situation where there are two cars that both do something dumb and get themselves wrecked you need some rules to fall back on. But at the same time I think you should be carefull to not get too far away from what is acceptable in NASCAR racing, because that is what we try to do here. (This is not F1).
And to give one example concerning the 3rd part of this rule. If at New Hampshire of Martinsville for example the car in front overdrives the entry and moves up in the middle of the turn, by accident or by design, than that is their choice/problem. As the car behind you should be able to use the space you are given by the car in front. But if we allow the car in front to use the entire track from high to low and as the car behind you just have to wait there, because he might potentially move back down, then I think we make it way to easy on the front car to defend.
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Aw man I had such a great time. Could save my tires pretty good, even running the high line. Then after the pitstop the pace was definitely faster, so I was wondering how that would turn out and who would have the better tires near the end between Carsten, Jakub and me.
But then 2 lapped cars wrecked in front of me. I thought one was going to slide down from the wall, which he didn't. I should have zagged when I zigged and couldn't avoid him anymore and it ended my race....:(
Probably the last time we'll run this version of the track as I racing just announced a repaved update of this track probably somewhere in season 2, which is somewhat sad as I like the low grip track....
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Roland sorry for that moment.. I could have left a bit more room between us. I saw you steering down below that top seem, so I thought the whole outside was available but then you didn't went low as much as I thought you would. And then the netcode that pushed you back up into me didn't help either..:S
My first two stints were pretty good. I felt I had to use way too much steering input on the low line in dirty air, so I decided to see what I could do on the high line. The only hard thing was to nail the entry into 3 when there was a car in front of me that took away my line of sight for the entry which kinda messed me up at times.
But then during the last pitstop I pretty much spun out the car on entry. And during the last stint I just drove a bit over my head, running waaaay to much into the wall. Also having a tighter car with less fuel (and less rotation) didn't help either I think.
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Feempy It is everyone's choice which strategy they choose and how they subsequently behave on the track.
Agreed, but I can still not like how somebody behaves on track and say something about it.
Feempy It must be understood that I'm not responsible for my brother. He has a mind of his own. The only thing I can say about it is that I have had several conversations with him regarding a few situations that have been here in the past. And some I wasn't thrilled about either. In the final stage he has to realize this and it is up to him whether he changes his attitude or not.
I'm also not holding you accountable for his actions. Maybe my entire post looked directed to you, because I started with a apology to you and then went on with the other stuff. But that was definitely directed to Petr, not you.
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And this is also an answer for Feempy. Plus, yes he was faster, but that was in the single file situation and that's something different as I wrote above.
Unfortunetly, you cannot see the background. In the last races, Petr sometimes started to take gamble with the strategy (stayed out on older tires and save set for later). Multiple times, I told him that it doesn't work every time, but he is still doing it. He has his own head. If you think that's how you wrote in your last sentence, then think so, it's your opinion. But do you think I should need it?
And about that hit from behind, I had my own opinion on that situation and surely it will stay in my memory.
It's definitely just my opinion. And if it would just be this race, I wouldn't be this outspoken about it. But the 'problem' I have is that I am seeing a pattern over multiple races, not just the last 2 Bristol races.
And just to be clear. I'm not against strategy calls and staying out on old tires in itself. But it's about the choices made and how drivers race when they get in such a situation.
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First of all apologies to Jakub. I didn't want to hit you or spin you out. Just trying really bad to get to you outside to try something.
However I must say that I can't help but feel that maybe there is a little karma here. I mean if both you and Petr just try to block the entire field something is going to happen at some point when there is a whole pack behind you that is faster. I do believe that you couldn't go any faster on the old tires. But I do find it strange that the run before and after Petr was able to run a lot faster in the turns, but when the both of you were side by side he suddenly lost his speed. If this is really the team game you guys want to play.... And it isn't the first time (I can remember Jonas getting frustrated with these games this last Sunday just to give one example). I just get the idea sometimes that the sole reason Petr is in this league, is to block the heck out of everybody so you can get maximum championship points...
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Daniel A. I understand which you wrote. It's a dangerous thing, but more people do it and it's only talked about when something similar happens.
But this situation are debatable because if someone from the back overdrove the pit entry and hit the drivers in front of him, then the first car is not to blame in my opinion. I'm not saying this was the case yesterday. On the other hand, if I braked so much, why did Petr and David behind me not have a problem with it.
Maybe in the next races there do what they did in real life and have pit road entry before the turn 3-4. Then these situations would certainly not happen.
This is where I don't really like how the rules are.... At most tracks you basically have to slow down on the racing line to make a competitive pitstop. Because if you don't and somebody else does you can loose 5-10 seconds. But if somebody doesn't pay attention and drives into the back of you it is basically the fault of the car that slowed down on the racingline...
I think most of the drivers here have the respect to move up a lane if you announce you are pitting, but specially at this track it can be tricky at times.
I tried to do the same thing in A, where I janked the car on the apron with almost full speed and then slow down. But that was a lot easier to do with the A car than the B car.
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I watched a video by Maconi setupshop on how to qualify for this race, but that was a waste of time..... I think Carletto7777 watched the same video, because we both started in the top 30
Anyway the race was fun. Could race to the front twice, after a few lapped cars caused mayhem by moving from the apron back on the track again.. If you want to led the pack by, by moving on the apron stay there! Don't move back on the track in the middle of the pack...
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Wanne I'm not saying that every detail should be checked on the restarts. But if something against the rules is visible at first glance, it should be reviewed and not wait for someone to protest. Then what's the point of having it in the rules.
It's only visible if you actively look for it/ watch that part of the replay, which can easily be skipped if only the incidents are being reviewed. The point of the rule(s) have already been explained by Marvin.
The way you seem to look at it, is that a fair competition is only in the hand of the stewards, which it is not. It's the responsibility of every competitor here, so you included.
I guess it would be a little bit different if the stakes would be a lot higher (like the Coke series), but the only reason why were here is to have a good time and that comes with a shared responsiblity.
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And yes, I was actually always one of those who didn't submit protests because it comes across as snitching. But you have to look at it differently: If rules are broken, someone has to report it so that the stewards can simply be helped. They can't sift through everything themselves.
This exactly. We all are here to have fun and, as drivers/competitors, we are all responsible for fun and fair races. The stewards 'just' judge the incidents and handout the penalties.
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I agree with JakubSmetana in that certain situations should be analyzed by default no matter the situation.
I mean: YF and restarts should be analyzed without the need of protesting to have an unified criteria. At least I suppoused it was this way. I do inform those change of lines on restart when I am involved but it's just to simplify stewards job, I assume they do it by default.
On the other hand there are incidents not causing YF that should be reported and end in nothing 'cos those not involved can´t protest them and involved ones do nothing. Its surprising to me how many times this happens.
Then you can add the pitlines everybody is driving (specially at tracks like Phoenix and Bristol) to the list as well and there are probably a few more rules you could add to that list. But I'm pretty sure none of the stewards have the time and or energy to that every week. Don't foget we all do this voluntary. And if you see something on track that is not right, it is a lot easier and cost a lot less time for you to send in a ticket, than for the stewards to check everything that potentially could go wrong.
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I finally have the time so I got around to it. I would like to go back to this race at Michigan and specifically the last overtime restart. When the leader (car #72) launched on the restart, he immediately changed lane and moved up to the outside lane. And even before the S/F line, the second car on the first row (car #3) did the same and moved down to the inside lane in front of me. Everything went unpunished. Why I'm asking?
I think the anwer is pretty simple. It's probably because nobody send a protest to the stewards (and somebody probably did in the truck race). The stewards pretty much look at cautions and the protests that come in. So if you see someting on the track that is not right, send in a ticket the next day and it will be looked at.
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Running top 5 in the majority of the past 2 races, but ending up p35 in the points as they are now....
I even had enough fuel for 1 geen white checkered, but ofcourse another caution had to come out...
Let's hope for my first top 20 finish next week.....
